JOHN R. BROWN, Circuit Judge:
This appeal concerns an attempt to extort $38,000 from a federally insured bank by means of kidnapping the son of two of the bank's officers. For this crime, Charles Winfred Carpenter, Jr. was convicted of violating the Hobbs Act, 18 U.S.C.A. § 1951, and sentenced to five years in prison. He appeals the conviction, contending that (i) he did not commit a federal crime because the attempted extortion was directed solely at the parents of the kidnapped victim, not at the bank, (ii) the exclusive federal remedy for the crime was the Bank Robbery Act, 18 U.S.C.A. § 2113, not the Hobbs Act, and (iii) incriminating statements admitted at trial were obtained in violation of the Fifth Amendment. We affirm.
I.
Jeff Austin, III, was abducted from his home on the morning of October 18, 1978. Jeff is the son of Jeff Austin, Jr. and Sissy Austin, the president and vice-president, respectively, of the First National Bank of Jacksonville, Texas. The abductor, without asking Jeff where his parents worked, then proceeded to dial the telephone number of the bank and to force Jeff to attempt to speak to either or both of his parents. Jeff spoke to Mrs. Austin and indicated that his abductors wanted $38,000 for Jeff's safe return. Further telephone calls directed Mrs. Austin to begin a series of steps resulting in her leaving the money at a spot near "Love's Lookout."
The first drop off of the money was unsuccessful, however. Yet another call was placed to Mrs. Austin in order to arrange a second drop off for the money. During that telephone conversation, the abductor stated that "the bank" had interfered with the first drop off. Mrs. Austin was directed to make sure that bank personnel did not interfere a second time. She was also told to "call the bank and again have $38,000 of money packaged in tens and twenties. . . ." Mrs. Austin complied and delivered a second package of money to a different location, where the money was picked up by two young boys. The boys later identified Carpenter as the man who promised to pay them for picking up the money.
These facts establish that the extortion was directed at the bank and not solely at the parents. Both parents were officers of the bank, with authority to direct the use of bank monies. A very large amount of money was demanded. The abductor knew without asking that both parents worked at the bank. And statements made over the telephone also indicated that the abductor was looking to the bank's assets for payment, not solely to the assets of the parents.
Under very similar facts, the Eighth Circuit has rejected Carpenter's argument. United States v. Johnson, 516 F.2d 209, 214, cert. denied, 1975, 423 U.S. 859, 96 S.Ct. 112, 46 L.Ed.2d 85. Moreover, we stated in United States v. Gupton, 5 Cir., 1974, 495 F.2d 550, that it is only necessary to show that the "extortionate behavior [was] likely to have the natural effect of obstructing commerce." Id. at 551 (emphasis supplied). The abduction and extortionate telephone calls in this case were certainly likely to cause the bank's assets to be drawn upon. And in fact the bank's assets, not those of the parents, were used. There was certainly adequate evidence from which a jury could have concluded that the extortion was directed against the bank. Glasser v. United States, 1942, 315 U.S. 60, 62 S.Ct. 457, 86
II.
The contention that the Bank Robbery Act is the exclusive federal remedy for cases involving extortion on banks would have been a more substantial argument prior to the Supreme Court's recent decision in United States v. Culbert, 1978, 435 U.S. 371, 98 S.Ct. 1112, 55 L.Ed.2d 349.
In Culbert, the defendant was convicted in the District Court of attempted bank robbery under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2113(a) and of extortion under the Hobbs Act. As in Carpenter's case, the Culbert defendant had used telephoned threats in an attempt to force a bank officer to leave a large amount of bank money at a specified location. On appeal to the Ninth Circuit, the Bank Robbery Act conviction was abandoned by the Government.
In a broadly worded opinion, the Hobbs Act conviction was sustained. The Culbert opinion focused on a rejection of the Ninth Circuit's theory that the Hobbs Act was limited to "racketeering" crime. But an examination of the precise facts and issue in Culbert makes clear that Culbert's holding was that the Hobbs Act may be used to prosecute attempted bank extortions. Thus, on the basis of Culbert's holding, Carpenter's second point of error is easily rejected.
Carpenter lastly contests the admission of certain incriminating statements which he made shortly after his arrest. In so doing, he attempts to immerse us in a caldron of questions concerning the Fifth Amendment, which has been percolating in the lower courts since Brewer.
Carpenter made a number of incriminating statements soon after his arrest by FBI agents Kieny and Meese, on the evening of October 18, 1978.
Both agents testified that during the trip they engaged in sporadic conversation between themselves concerning "everyday" matters, but at no point spoke about the Carpenter case or any other FBI matter. Both agents also testified that the only question asked Carpenter was whether he wanted a soft drink. Carpenter's statements came during "some long periods of silence, at which Mr. Carpenter apparently felt like he had to say something, and he did."
The defendant's version was quite different. Carpenter essentially testified that the FBI agents engaged in a form of subtle interrogation during the automobile trip, similar to but not so dramatic as the "Christian burial" speech of Police Officer Leaming in Brewer. Carpenter testified that the agents made several statements about the extortion, including remarks that, "It sure was a sloppy job," that the agents couldn't understand how his girlfriend got involved, and that another case which the agents
After hearing both versions, the Trial Judge permitted the agents to testify before the jury concerning Carpenter's statement. The Judge found that "in spite of the fact that [Carpenter] said that he wanted counsel, the FBI did not ask any question of the defendant . . . and voluntarily, without any questioning on the part of the FBI agents, [Carpenter] made the statements that he made." While this finding speaks in terms of "questioning," it is truly a finding — when read in context with the rest of the record — that the FBI agents neither made Brewer-type "statements" nor posed "questions" as such. The Trial Judge was certainly permitted to credit only the testimony of the FBI agents. The Judge's finding is not clearly erroneous.
We have frequently faced the situation in which a defendant invokes his Miranda rights and then, without further accusatory statements or questioning by the authorities, initiates a statement which turns out to be incriminating. Such spontaneous, unprovoked statements do not violate the principles of Miranda, simply because the requisite element of Government "interrogation" is lacking. Consequently, we have uniformly upheld the admission of such statements. E. g., United States v. Rieves, 5 Cir., 1978, 584 F.2d 740, 743-44, 745-46; United States v. Savell, 5 Cir., 1977, 546 F.2d 43, 45-46; Pilcher v. Estelle, 5 Cir., 1976, 528 F.2d 623, 625; United States v. Hopkins, 5 Cir., 1970, 433 F.2d 1041, cert. denied, 1971, 401 U.S. 1013, 91 S.Ct. 1252, 28 L.Ed.2d 550; Sellers v. Smith, 5 Cir., 1969, 412 F.2d 1002, 1005. See also Miranda v. Arizona, supra, 384 U.S. at 478, 86 S.Ct. at 1630, 16 L.Ed.2d at 726 ("volunteered statements of any kind are not barred by the Fifth Amendment"); United States v. Cobbs, 3 Cir., 481 F.2d 196, 200-01, cert. denied, 1973, 414 U.S. 980, 94 S.Ct. 298, 38 L.Ed.2d 224; Cannistraci v. Smith, S.D. N.Y., 1979, 470 F.Supp. 586, 590-92. We therefore escape the Brewer caldron that Carpenter would place us in, and reject his final point of error.
AFFIRMED.
FootNotes
The Government apparently withdrew its concession by the time that the case reached the Supreme Court, 435 U.S. at 372 n. 1, 98 S.Ct. at 1113 n. 1, 55 L.Ed.2d at 351 n. 1, and attempted to reargue the issue after the Supreme Court remanded the case to the Ninth Circuit. There, the Ninth Circuit adhered to its dismissal of the Bank Robbery Act count, however, "for the reasons set forth in our first opinion . . ." United States v. Culbert, 1978, 581 F.2d 799.
Nor is it significant that the identical facts might prove both a Hobbs Act and a Bank Robbery Act violation. United States v. Smith, supra; United States v. Chakmakis, supra. This is not a Blockburger v. United States, 1932, 284 U.S. 299, 304, 52 S.Ct. 180, 182, 76 L.Ed. 306, 309, situation involving cumulative punishment, or even dual prosecution, under the two statutes. The legislative history of the two statutes gives no indication of whether one statute or the other is to be exclusive with respect to bank extortion. See United States v. Culbert, 9 Cir., 1977, 548 F.2d 1355, 1359 (Carter, J., dissenting), rev'd, 435 U.S. 371, 98 S.Ct. 1112, 55 L.Ed.2d 349; United States v. Marx, 10 Cir., 485 F.2d 1179, 1182, cert. denied, 1973, 416 U.S. 986, 94 S.Ct. 2391, 40 L.Ed.2d 764. Where this is the case, the recent Supreme Court case of United States v. Batchelder, 1979, 442 U.S. 114, 99 S.Ct. 2198, 60 L.Ed.2d 755, permits prosecution under even the statute with the greater penalty.
In Batchelder, two separate provisions of the same Act of Congress prohibited felons from receiving firearms. One provision carried a five-year maximum, the other a two-year maximum sentence. The Court held that the Government was free to prosecute under the more punitive statute. In reaching that result, it stated:
Id. at 122, 99 S.Ct. at 2203, 60 L.Ed.2d at 763 (citations omitted) (emphasis supplied). Thus Batchelder certainly allows the Government to choose the equally lenient or more lenient Hobbs Act when prosecuting bank extortions such as Carpenter's. See United States v. Brown, 9 Cir., 1979, 602 F.2d 909 (applying Batchelder to a situation involving 18 U.S.C.A. § 2113(a)).
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